tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post5569901971739708541..comments2024-02-10T02:14:39.898-05:00Comments on Buckeye Surgeon: Why it matters....Jeffrey Parks MD FACShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15650563299849196122noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-65590868144417787562009-05-06T17:07:00.000-04:002009-05-06T17:07:00.000-04:00FYI:
Prof. Alfred McCoy briefly interviewed by Am...FYI:<br /><br />Prof. Alfred McCoy briefly interviewed by Amy Goodman :<br /><br />http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/1/torture_expert_alfred_mccoy_obama_reluctanceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-29952226975080939122009-05-06T11:59:00.000-04:002009-05-06T11:59:00.000-04:00What amazes me is that the former Administration d...What amazes me is that the former Administration drew the line at Water Boarding! If water boarding was OK, why did they not use electric shock or cigarette burns, etc.? Because it leaves no marks? It is such a slippery slope. Not hard to understand how fragile our freedoms are when you remember that our country imprisoned many thousands of Japanese-Americans during WWII with no due process and no concern about their civil liberties.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-81221075682079552812009-05-05T22:03:00.000-04:002009-05-05T22:03:00.000-04:00Actually Norma, the mainstream media were the last...Actually Norma, the mainstream media were the last ones to report the torture story. The Washington Post/NY TImes still refuse to use the word "torture" without quotation marks, as if it's still controversial...<br /><br />Unlike Whitewater and the Monica Lewinsky "scandal", torture is not a media-manufactured circus; this is the real deal. Choosing to blame the "left wing media" for a state sponsored torture program is rather disengenuous...Jeffrey Parks MD FACShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15650563299849196122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-72876332567867200702009-05-05T21:50:00.000-04:002009-05-05T21:50:00.000-04:00Re: Norma
Don't need to. Read it with grain of sa...Re: Norma<br /><br />Don't need to. Read it with grain of salt, compare it to other alternatives and be your own judge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-61850088132056397132009-05-05T17:04:00.000-04:002009-05-05T17:04:00.000-04:00And we should believe the Obamedia about this beca...And we should believe the Obamedia about this because. . . ?Normahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11502895616873273470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-62039246809659525412009-04-30T23:38:00.000-04:002009-04-30T23:38:00.000-04:00Great post! You say everything I've felt about the...Great post! You say everything I've felt about the torture issue, but in an eloquent, easily read train of thought.Heidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12063177987054290320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-11292729929774767092009-04-30T17:02:00.000-04:002009-04-30T17:02:00.000-04:00Was ist mit dem Rommell Bild, Herr Platensimycin??...Was ist mit dem Rommell Bild, Herr Platensimycin??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-60862083582946509852009-04-30T09:44:00.000-04:002009-04-30T09:44:00.000-04:00Agree with Buckeye.
If we uphold civic and societ...Agree with Buckeye.<br /><br />If we uphold civic and societal values, we would question the validity of torture. It matters.HMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17168620011502808236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-90358769794440225842009-04-29T22:14:00.000-04:002009-04-29T22:14:00.000-04:00So, when you were in training you never tried your...So, when you were in training you never tried your skills on an unsuspecting victim ? Sure, he gave you consent but did he really knew how little you knew ? You thought that it was for the better good in the end, that your training was worth the risk, that it was no better way to achieve the higher purpose. How arrogant ! The same way now, those people wanted to serve their country (yes, the country that gives you the opportunity to teach moral lessons from a pedestal). They agreed to do that dirty work so that noble souls like you feel good about how noble they are. Maybe they did not feel good about themselves and maybe they felt really bad but, like you, they had a conviction and a love for something : serving their country and preserving your freedom. You know, jews in Europe thought that they can keep peace with Hitler. If somebody wants to kill your kids, there is no time for negotiation, it's time to buy a gun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-25127533510576836942009-04-29T20:45:00.000-04:002009-04-29T20:45:00.000-04:00Of note today, KSM was not waterboarded 183 times ...Of note today, KSM was not waterboarded 183 times as is widely report in the hypemongering MSM. He was in fact ill-treated during five occasions. During those five session, a total of 183 pours of water occurred.<br />My only reason for pointing this out, is to refute those who think there were 183 sessions of waterboarding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-81330321923566245202009-04-29T20:07:00.000-04:002009-04-29T20:07:00.000-04:00John J. Coupal et al-
Maybe you would like to rea...John J. Coupal et al-<br /><br />Maybe you would like to read then about how the Japanese used waterboarding during WWII and were later convicted of war crimes for its use!<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html<br /><br />Hooray for morally and logically bankrupt arguments!BR Morrisseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03933855466265518073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-39531796918663418042009-04-29T13:41:00.000-04:002009-04-29T13:41:00.000-04:00Buckeyey,
I respect you as a surgeon and a profes...Buckeyey,<br /><br />I respect you as a surgeon and a professional and unfortunately we are going to have to disagree on this matter.<br />You are right, captives have forfeited their autonomy. They forfeited their autonomy when they decided to hold an AK-47 or plan a terrorist attack. In a fair and just system criminals do not retain their individuality when they perpetrate crimes upon others.<br />Just because a mob boss is not holding a smoking gun does that mean we should not capture him?<br />And if we do capture a terrorist, should we not seek to find out who else he knows and has been working with in order to preserve our way of life?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-3108422534420396972009-04-29T12:54:00.000-04:002009-04-29T12:54:00.000-04:00I think part of the reason the American people are...I think part of the reason the American people are so complacent is that many just want to forget the past 8 yrs and move on. To that end, Cheney needs to crawl back under his bridge.<br /><br />Having said that, I do agree with your post and, like others have already stated, it is an excellent commentary.mark's tailshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08097539019772913051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-23102323387820869382009-04-29T11:23:00.000-04:002009-04-29T11:23:00.000-04:00I still don't get it...
So lets say you catc...I still don't get it...<br /><br /> So lets say you catch Mohammed-All-Shaif-Herboush at JFK with a copy of "Hydrogen Bombs for Dummies" and throwin off more neutrons than Fat Man and Little Boy combined...and he's got a little yellow cake under his grubby little finger nails....<br /><br />You can't bring in Briscoe and Green to slap him around a little bit??? If he wants a lawyer before questoning, you gotta give him one??<br /><br />Whatever<br /> <br />Frank, Agressive Interrogation SupporterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-33470212342656480812009-04-29T10:00:00.000-04:002009-04-29T10:00:00.000-04:00Anon-
If we were deliberately targeting unarmed ci...Anon-<br />If we were deliberately targeting unarmed civilians with predator drone sorties, then I could buy your point. Collateral damage occurs in a field of war. It's regrettable and any combatant ought to take measures to avoid it. But intent is an important consideration in any moral evaluation. Intent to kill civilians is genocide, a war crime, and ought to be prosecuted to the same extent as torture. Your point, as formulated, is incoherent. Torture is not only evil, it's a self-sustaining evil. Torture begets the need for more torture to justify the need for it to continue. As opposed to an enemy combatant in the field of war, pain and suffering is inflicted on unarmed captives who have forfeited their autonomy. They're not confronting you with an AK47 anymore or plotting to blow something up. In that scenario, you've brought the field of war with all its unbridled violence to someone who has already opted out of it. Why would anyone want to surrender to America ever again, if these are the consequences? It's stupid, unreliable as a tool of gathering information, morally reprehensible, serves as a terrorist recruitment tool, and is just plain sadistic. So again, when Cheney comes bearing his memos of "actionable intelligence" garnered from torture, our collective response ought to be "so what", if we have any national sense of decency.Jeffrey Parks MD FACShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15650563299849196122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-82697723970383920382009-04-28T22:44:00.000-04:002009-04-28T22:44:00.000-04:00What I still do not understand is this. The appro...What I still do not understand is this. The approval rating for the current administration to send unmanned drones into civilian populated areas in Pakistan to bomb al-Qaeda is very high. However, we are unwilling to forcefeed detainees a bland diet, deprive them of sleep, and desensitize them.<br />How does that make any sense? We are willing to risk civilian casualties, but we get our panties in a bunch when we push a known terrorist a bit hard in a jail?<br /><br />Ridiculous, do not let your narrow-mindedness allow you to forget the larger picture. Security is easy when it is done via joystick, just like prattling via keyboard. Get your boots on the ground and look the enemy in the eye. We will see what your decisions are then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-92219958194154033222009-04-28T06:32:00.000-04:002009-04-28T06:32:00.000-04:00I agree fully!
Like, on December 8, 1941, we shou...I agree fully!<br /><br />Like, on December 8, 1941, we should have indicted that Japanese admiral and The Emperor for their crime of hurting Americans. That would have shown them how we take care of criminals the right way.John J. Coupalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14251189003749371248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-25332804247856107452009-04-28T05:12:00.000-04:002009-04-28T05:12:00.000-04:00Ask the 3000 families affected on 9/11 if the pain...Ask the 3000 families affected on 9/11 if the pain and hurt is abstract and ethereal. A large problem in this debate is the removal of the American public in time and space from that day. The perpetrators have not changed their intentions. I don't believe anyone thinks enhanced interrogation is something to be particularly proud of. However, it is a necessary evil.<br />And honestly, if you want to avoid torture; avoid hanging out with known terrorists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-22427366822984917932009-04-28T00:53:00.000-04:002009-04-28T00:53:00.000-04:00This is an excellent and important post. How this ...This is an excellent and important post. How this country responds to these revelations is critical for it will define what this nation becomes in the future.Mark Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06115968897468407333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-82379528479827532872009-04-27T22:03:00.000-04:002009-04-27T22:03:00.000-04:00Yes, it matters a lot.Yes, it matters a lot.rlbateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15236331355857884458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-72363795922903467962009-04-27T14:31:00.000-04:002009-04-27T14:31:00.000-04:00Keep up the excellent commentary on this subject. ...Keep up the excellent commentary on this subject. Your insight is a lost art.BR Morrisseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03933855466265518073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2760353953251845523.post-40885705245093782212009-04-27T14:17:00.000-04:002009-04-27T14:17:00.000-04:00Wow Buckeye, excellent post.Wow Buckeye, excellent post.ABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15714029318694453261noreply@blogger.com